Alan Watt on

"Sweet Liberty" with Jackie Patru

April 13, 2005




Jackie:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us tonight on Sweet Liberty. Today is Wednesday and it is the 13th of April in the year 2005 and Alan Watt is with us this evening. I had friend stop by.


Our spiritual message tonight is the pray of Saint Francis of Assisi:


"Father, make me an instrument of your peace. Where there is hatred, let me sow love; Where there is injury, let me so pardon; Where there is doubt, faith; Where there is despair let me so hope; Where there is darkness, let me sow light; And where there is sadness, joy.  Father grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console; To be understood as to understand; To be loved as to love; For it is in giving that we receive; It is in pardoning that we are pardoned; And it is in dying that we are born into eternal life."


Alan, thank you being here tonight.


Alan:  It's a pleasure.


Jackie:  Always. How has your day been, besides the chemtrail spraying?


Alan:  I got my truck stuck in the field.


Jackie:  Oh no.


Alan:  Yes. I was taking it out there to do some important stuff and it's just not dry enough.


Jackie:  So did you get it out?


Alan:  No, I spoke to it quietly and left it there.


Jackie:  Oh okay. So do you think it's going to come in by itself now?


Alan:  Well, I did tell it what would happen to it if it didn't.


Jackie:  You know what? These things can happen because last summer when the children were here, Brandon got a real bad shock out on the porch and they were plugging in one of their players and instead of connecting the extension cord and then plugging it in. He had already plugged it in and I was in the house. They said his hair stood right up on end. It was a good one and it knocked out some fuses. Well, I got all the fuse things flipped back but my doorbell quit ringing and I thought well there's something in there. Something like a ballast and I thought well then maybe it's a ballast and I have to find the company and I was without a doorbell for I cannot tell you how long and then one day suddenly someone came up and rang the doorbell and it's working without doing anything to it. I like that. So maybe you'll find your truck up by the house in the morning.


Alan:  Well, I did threaten it.


Jackie:  But you did it quietly?


Alan:  I did it quietly.


Jackie:  Okay. Well Alan there's something that I would like you to address tonight. I don't know how to respond. I don't know that what I say or the way I say it or whatever it is that's lacking or maybe it isn't. Maybe it's just difficult. The one thing that initiated this is I got a call last night from a really nice man and I mean this sincerely and I know that it's with all of his heart the belief, but basically it was the same thing I get from people who are I guess it's Christian or Israel identity, but it isn't Yahweh or Jehovah that god of the Old Testament. The name is wrong. It's Yahweh; and Alan, what is the difference?


Alan:  Well, to them it's everything really and that goes way, way back into the Middle East where if you knew the exact pronunciation of the entity or demon, then you would control it. That's where it all stems from and of course it's all nonsense because if you're talking to a creator I'm sure the creator is bright enough to know who you're talking to.


Jackie:  What about the part in the Old Testament where it says if my people – does it say know my name or something about repent. I wished I knew it word for word. I don't if you know which one I'm referring to, but I think a lot of stuff is pinned onto that too. "If my people would say my name or know my name, call upon me, I will heal their land." So that's to make people think that we have to have a name for Creator?


Alan:  That's pretty well it. It's nonsense. If you are speaking to a creator that's so dumb with a low IQ that if you get the name wrong and he doesn't hear you, then I think you're praying to the wrong entity because obviously anything that was a creator knows exactly who you mean.


Jackie:  But this goes along with the fact that it wasn't the Jews that was the chosen, it was the white Anglo-Saxon and there's a lot of evidentially research that people have done in the bloodlines and people from back in that area and so what it comes down to this is. It comes down to believing that Creator would choose a special people and we're to rule the world. Rule the world. It says in there, Alan, that you are going to loan to nations and borrow from none and it also says to a special people that they cannot loan money and charge usury to their fellows but they have to charge usury to the stranger or the goyim. Well, how is this reconciled in people's minds or is there something that at least to plant a seed that would get them thinking, Alan?


Alan:  Their thinking would have to overcome their conditioning. That's the problem and they've been so heavily steeped in this stuff from childhood that for many of them it's impossible to break that barrier.


Jackie:  A lot of people who are Christian identity I don't think it's necessarily from childhood. It is what they've deduced from whoever – this came from British Israelism, didn't it? The Israel identity or Christian identity? What is British Israelism?


Alan:  It began in the 1800's with one man who was a bit of a nutcase to begin with. In fact he ended up in a psychiatric hospital for the rest of his days.


Jackie:  Do you know a name?


Alan:  I can't quite remember the guy's name but he actually demanded that the king and queen of England dethrone themselves and put him in power because he believed that he was closer to the bloodline that was mentioned than they were, you see, so they locked him up. However, then the World Zionist federation realized this could be an aid in their plans and so they pushed it ever since and you'll find that the World Federalist Society--


Jackie:  World Federalist or World Zionist?


Alan:  World Federalist Society is the exact same address in every country as the World Zionist Society. It's one and the same outfit. They're using religion once again to verify the Old Testament and to bring Israel up to be the basically the capital of the planet.


Jackie:  And going along with that, isn't it the second coming, the coming of Jesus, and I don't know if this is British Israelism or Israel identity but that Jesus is going to have his throne right there in Jerusalem.


Alan:  It's all part of the plan and you see behind religions you've had people who conned everyone for thousands of years so they do certainly know the techniques to use and they could pull it off. They could certainly pull it off; but if you go into the Old Testament, Jehovah or Yahweh is a latecomer. He comes on the scene after the Elohim and the Elohim are the creators you might say, so definitely Yahweh was a local deity that was then pushed – in fact he was the volcano god and he was eventually pushed up to overtake everyone else, not by Jews but by the ruling governments of the day.


Jackie:  The priesthood?


Alan:  Yes and Constantine I'm sure had a few good chuckles at that one because he was steeped in all the mystery religions and even though he's given the accolades for bringing Christianity to the fore, he did not make Christianity the religion of Rome. He simply stopped the persecution of it and prior to doing that he created his own temple of the Mithraic Cult – he was a Mithraic disciple, a form of Masonry you might call it. He also created a church where you could go in, like all Caesars, and worship him in his own church, so he was worshipped as a god. He had insurance policies out with every mystery religion and so he used this religion, the Christian religion, to further the cause, which was again to lead eventually to world government.


Jackie:  I've mentioned this on the air before because I don't really understand all of the writings that are attributed to things of Jesus but there are some that are so simple and that you just absolutely know is true. You know, how to live. Do unto others. That is it, Alan. As you sow, so shall you reap. I take that literally and for people to think that okay if I say a certain amount of hail Mary's or the priest or I pay enough, well the Lord knows that I'm a weak sinner and Jesus died for my sins so I'm okay because I repent and then you do it again and repent again and it really gives people a cop out. But far beyond that, the way I see it, the way it appears to me, is that it has created that separation – that perceived separation between each of us and our Creator.


Alan:  Long before Christianity the mystery religions had always been around and they knew from time immemorial that man would always seek out his Creator. He had a yearning to be in touch with the all or whatever name they gave to it and then they exploited it. The priesthoods actually exploited this natural need you see and of course out of the need they create dogma, and from the dogma they make rules and laws and enslave the minds of the people.


Jackie:  And if you don't buy into the dogma you're a heretic; and I remember saying that on the air. Actually it was sometime in '98 and why I remember that is because it was still daylight when I was doing the broadcast at the time. But I said I just want you all to know that I am a heretic, and by the definition in the dictionary, that I do not ascribe or subscribe to the religious doctrine and the religious dogma that we have been taught. I had somebody call me and say that's a terrible thing to say about yourself. In other words, it's terrible to be a heretic.


Alan:  "Heretic" comes from "hearsay," and that's what they forbid the public to do, was listen to hearsay; and from "hearsay" you have "heresy." That's where it comes from, so you were forbidden to listen to any kind of hearsay or heresy and if you did then you were a heretic. It's a fantastic form of mind control to do with guilt-tripping and sin of course and it's been exploited and used by professionals for thousands upon thousands of years. It's all mind control, all of it.


Jackie:  I remember when Rick, what was his name, Wiles, was actually on this hour on this shortwave frequency at 9 p.m. Eastern time and Lilly listened to him and taped the thing one day and called and let me hear it. This basically was his message because he used to do news and tell all the terrible things that were going on, but then he'd say but that's okay, I see what’s going on out there, I know what's going on but it's okay because I know that it's the time Jesus is coming, see. Then he says come on Jesus and establish your throne in Jerusalem and I am going to be there right in the front row worshipping you and following you. It seems that the kingdom on earth is the message that has permeated throughout a lot of these religions, like the Jehovah's Witnesses.


Alan:  Of course the history of the Witnesses was began by--


Jackie:  Charles Taze Russell


Alan:  And he's buried under a pyramid.


Jackie:  "34 holy," I was at his pyramid. I have photographs of them, Alan.


Alan:  Yes and it's right opposite the Masonic Lodge and of course the whole idea of the "Russellites," as they called themselves, was that the Gentiles had blown it with all their wars and the goal was to bring the time of the Jews to rule the world. That was part of the Russellite philosophy.


Jackie:  Oh, you're kidding.


Alan:  In fact Balfour who gave the Balfour Declaration said the same thing. If you read the whole declaration, and generally you'll see only part of it published, but if you read the whole thing he said the same thing that the Gentiles have blown their ability for salvation, were unable to handle freedom and therefore the Jews had the right to rule.


Jackie:  I had never read the whole thing then because what I have that I was under the impression that this was the Balfour Declaration, basically it just said that a home there will be established for the Jews. However, it said something about that this would not encroach upon the people who are living there already, the Palestinians.


Alan:  Well, they are nice liars.


Jackie:  Yes I know that but that's all I've got.


Alan:  I've got the whole thing and don't forget too, it was not a British government document. It was a personal letter to Baron Rothschild, so it was never debated in Parliament in Britain. This was a managed thing between Rothschild and Balfour; but that was the scheme of it all, was that "look, you Gentiles just can't handle it so it's only right that Jews take over." H.G. Wells who was also a front man for MI6 and who was given most of his material that he wrote his stories around, H.G. Wells also categorized the races that should be allowed to live and the ones that would have to be exterminated, long before Adolph Hitler came along. He said that the British Crown had decided that Jews because of their survival abilities and their ability to handle this economic system would be allowed to survive alongside the aristocracy of Britain.


Jackie:  You're kidding.


Alan:  No.


Jackie:  So their ability to handle it. They're the ones that – well, the elite are the ones that created it, aren't they, way back in ancient times?


Alan:  Oh yes, it's always been the elite of course. When you read into the books, H.G. Wells wrote the first set, it was a two-volume set called "The History of the World," and he lays out there the races that would have to be destroyed because they could not come into this new order, which was an economic system, and he said that the red man would have to be killed off by diseases and so would the blacks. He also had the Irish in there, by the way.


Jackie:  Why the Irish?


Alan:  Because the Irish have a temperamental streak where they don't like to go along with systems and the only ones that would be allowed to survive would be people who would conform to an economic system, and that's the key to everything is the economic system. We under law exist to serve the economic system and not the other way around. They wrote a lot of their agenda openly back in the early 1900's and put down in that agenda the races that would have to be eliminated.


Jackie:  When you read enough different stuff you know that you keep seeing these connections. And in the Protocols of course their world court it looks like it's already built there in Israel but they say that their king despot of the blood of Zion is going to be the Pope of the world. Now I was sharing with out listeners last night a thing that I got on the different popes but there's something here that I didn't get to and I think it's part of our conversation now and I'd like to share it. He was talking about the scandals of the child molestation and he said:


"Notwithstanding the scandal and shock of the aforementioned, Rome carries on quietly with her program of world dominion. They lead the competition to establish the first one world system that has ever existed. Their ultimate goal is global religious syncretism, and to eventually wield control and authority over every individual on earth. The human solidarity goals of the Roman Church are identical to the goals and objectives of the United Nations. This is why they are such a perfect fit. Rome only gives the appearance of objecting to the UN agenda. At the 1996 World Food Summit in Rome, Cardinal Angelo Sodano fledged the holy seas support for the UN humanistic programs of action. Rome also has designs on Jerusalem."


Now this is where the connection comes in.


"For 46 years after Israel's rebirth the Vatican refused to acknowledge Israel's right to exist. But Rome wants to exert premier influence over Jerusalem, which will one day function as the capital of her World Church.  In a 1993 letter to the Pope, Shimon Peres promised to internationalize Jerusalem granting the UN political control of the Old City and the Vatican hegemony over the holy sites within. This was confirmed by the Italian newspaper La Stampa. In March 1995 the Israeli radio station Arutz Sheva was leaked a cable from the Israeli Embassy in Rome, confirming the hand over of Jerusalem to the Vatican. The future Pope will establish his throne one day within the walls of the rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem. It is from here that he will rule his World Church."


That reminds me that the king despot of the blood of Zion is said that it will be the Pope of the World and it says and there's just another paragraph here.


            "And this day may not be as far off as many believe. The cornerstones for the Third Temple have already been quarried by the Jewish group known as the Temple Mount Faithful. They are extremely well financed and organized. They have also produced priestly vestments in accordance with scriptural outlines and are presently attempting to breed a perfect red heifer in anticipation of the coming dedication ceremonies. Obviously, Rome and the Temple Mount Faithful are headed for a showdown."


I don't think so. Do you, Alan? I don't think there is going to be a showdown.


Alan:  No, I wouldn't think so.


Jackie:  Okay. Here's the last. "In a letter sent to the Vatican in January 2004, the Temple Mount Faithful demanded that Pope John Paul return the Temple Menorah and other vessels and treasures removed in 70AD by Titus and taken to Rome, where they are presently held within the Secret Vatican Archives."  And that's the end of the article and this was written by some guy in Toronto, but I think there's a lot of truth in here except that there's going to be a show down. This last pope according to many sources his mother was a Jew. He went to Israel and apologized on behalf of all Christians for the terrible persecution of the Jews that have taken place over the last 2,000 years, so the guy was a Jew.

Alan:  He also worked for I.G. Farben just prior to World War II.


Jackie:  Yes. I understand that he became a Catholic in order to escape whatever and he became a cardinal and the next thing you know he's a pope. There's not going to be any showdown. Their puppets are being put in place right now.


Alan:  Sure, the Catholic Church was always used for this. In fact if you look at some of the big names of Catholic popes, they were also world bankers in their own right.


Jackie:  I was telling our listeners last night about this beautiful book I have written by David Yallop, I think his name was. It was titled "In God's Name" and it was about Pope John Paul I that was in only for 33 days and he was going to get rid of Marchinko the Vatican banker because he found out that they had laundered a billion, 900 and some million, dollars of bad bonds through the Vatican church. It was the night before when he handed these instructions to the Secretary of State, which he had actually inherited from the previous pope, and the author said that the guy begged the pope not to do this, evidentially knowing what was going to happen, and he said I want this done. Marchinko was some bishop or cardinal and the next morning he was found dead. He was poisoned.


Alan:  He was going to make a speech that day, too, to ban freemasonry in the Vatican.


Jackie:  Yes. What is it called? 32P… 3P… 22?


Alan:  There's two 2's.


Jackie:  P2 freemasonry. Yes, that was mentioned. We have to take our 60-second break here. This was a pope that could have done some real good. He was going to get rid of the birth control ban for Catholics and they got rid of him in 33 days. Okay folks, we'll be right back with Alan Watt.

Okay Alan, what were we talking about?


Alan:  The fact is that organized religions have always been used for the purpose of control from the most ancient times.


Jackie:  Oh yes, we were talking about Pope John Paul I.


Alan:  If you really want to find mystery religion, you should look into the established churches because that's where it all began.


Jackie:  You know the word pagan? Well, I looked it up one day. I got a whole bunch of dictionaries here and every time Chuck found one in an old bookstore from all different areas and I look up the word pagan in every single one of them, including 1828 whatever. Pagan, the word is connected with the word heathen and that is the person of the heath. Pagan really means rural folks, but what the dictionary said is that they were people who did not come into the organized church, the doctrine and the dogma of the church; and Alan, do you know that almost every single one of them, one of the definitions of a pagan was a gentile? Now that kind of confused me. Can you explain that?


Alan:  Sure. All ancient peoples had meaning in life. They had meaning from life. They lived the meaning of life and it didn't matter really where their source of inspiration came from. They lived their life and life has to be meaningful. If you take away the meaningfulness of life, then you have robots and slaves and of course the organized religions were intended and set up to do exactly that. The ancient people had special sacred spots all over the world and it meant something to them. That's all important you see.


Jackie:  Yes and it wasn't necessarily evil, was it, Alan?


Alan:  No, not in the least. In fact, there was far less bloodletting with the so-called Pagani as there has been with established religion. Established religion has been a horror show.


Jackie:  Alan, what about the people now, I guess I have thought of them as pagans who sacrificed their children? Like I remember reading in Hawaii they throw their babies into the ocean sacrificing them to the gods. Some of them when they built a building, the four corners, before they put those posts in an infant was thrown in there; did that come from the priesthood?


Alan:  It came from Babylon. In fact, the archaeologists today who've worked steadily what was Babylon right into Jerusalem have found no sign of a Jehovah type worship. What they have found is that the same exact system of Babylon, where you kill children and often put them in an urn and you put them on each four corners to protect the inhabitants. All this rubbish and nonsense about a great Judaic people who worshipped this Jehovah is absolute rubbish. The truth is in the earth. The proof is there buried in the earth and in fact you can't tell Judaism apart from the Phoenicians who also did the same thing of killing first-born children and burying them in the four corners of the structure.  You see in the ancient times, even in Rome, the emperor himself, to open up land for building purposes he would make the crossroads with the plows and he would plow an exact square and everywhere--


Jackie:  Who did this?


Alan:  The old Caesars.


Jackie:  The Caesars themselves?


Alan:  Yes. That was the law that they had to plow a square part of the land, with a plow, and wherever any structure went up then a human sacrifice was given so that the mother goddess would not be offended. That was their belief system and that was rampant – that same belief system is exactly the same as Babylon and Jerusalem and on and on you go.


Jackie:  This Caesar, are you speaking of in Rome?


Alan:  In Rome and their empire, wherever their empire extended to, it was the same system because there is only one mystery religion.


Jackie:  You mean the Romans were doing baby sacrifices?


Alan:  Yes and even today in the land of the so-called Phoenicians, which was the Holy Land basically--


Jackie:  Okay. Tell me where that was?


Alan:  That was the Holy Land. That was Jerusalem and round about Jerusalem.


Jackie:  That was Phoenicia, huh?


Alan:  Yes and the Greeks called the land of that area Phoenicia. South of them was the Edomites, but that land itself was the Phoenicians.


Jackie:  Aren't the Edomites the ones the Jews supposedly are supposed to get rid of?


Alan:  Well, you'll find they were not too happy with anybody else. Everybody was their enemy basically. However, what you find with the Phoenicians, and this is the key to it all, it's an economic system and the Phoenicians were the ones who lived in that area who always created an artificial island and that was their capital and from there they would spread their system of commerce all over the ancient world.


Jackie:  You mean somewhere out in the ocean they would create an island?


Alan:  Yes, a man-made island.


Jackie:  How do you do that, Alan?


Alan:  They poured millions and billions of tons of soil and stone and so on and then they built their island.


Jackie:  In other words, sort of like a shoal or something that was already fairly not deep, fairly shallow?


Alan:  That's what they did and they built it off of Joppa [Jaffa, Yafo] off the coast of Israel in the Mediterranean Sea and that was their capital. Then they moved eventually to Venice. Venice is a play on Phoenician – Venetian, Phoenician, same thing – and that was their capital of the world; Venice itself again was created by man, by the creation of an artificial city, and so the MO [modus operandi] you can trace down through history wherever they go.


Jackie:  Yes and this gets so confusing because I read a fairly long piece about Venice. I think it was Venice where the Jesuits were supposed to be so powerful. Is that so, was it Venice?


Alan:  They were definitely powerful because the Jesuits traveled even to ancient Japan. They created the warrior caste of Japan. It wasn't natural to that country. They actually gave them the Warrior Caste and they've done it wherever they've gone. If you say--


Jackie:  Phoenician and Venetian.


Alan:  It's the same thing, and the Phoenix bird dies every 500 years and it's recreated in its own image.


Jackie:  And that would be a takeoff on the Phoenicians?


Alan:  That's right. You'll find if you say "Jesus" and then take it into the French, you have "Je Suis," I Am.  Jesuit is Je Suis, same thing, "I am." The whole thing is the mystery religion. All of it is the mystery religion.


Jackie:  Now I have read that the one we know as Jesus but wasn't really his name.


Alan:  Jesus is a Greek term because the initial writers of the gospel wrote primarily in Greek and they had no problem by saying 'Son of Zeus,' (Zeus, Iesous), because they were familiar with the son of Zeus, Hesus. The other name is Apollo of course and Jesus is the sun. He is the sun. If you look a the King James Bible and you get a proper King James Bible--


Jackie:  You mean like the original one?


Alan:  Yes. You'll find that the accolades they give to King James says "you are the SUN." King James is the SUN and then talks about the late queen Elizabeth I who is the Eastern Star. That's where the Eastern Star Lodge comes from. That's in all the original King James Bibles.


Jackie:  All Masonic.


Alan:  All Masonic. These guys have literally pulled the wool over everyone's eyes for thousands of years. You look at all the churches, they have a spire, which is the phallic symbol going right back to Egypt and it's called ON. The phallic symbol is called ON. It's in the English language today. We use ON for an erection; and you walk through the phallic symbol into the box and you walk through the vulva. That's why you have what they call a "Norman Arch," and you walk through it into the church into the box and it always faces to the East where the sun comes up.


Jackie:  Is this in the Catholic Church mostly?


Alan:  It's in all Christian churches.


Jackie:  Are you saying then that all Christian churches that the entrance faces east?


Alan:  That's right.


Jackie:  Gosh, I never noticed that, Alan.


Alan:  And the priest gets dressed up in his robe, which is a female dress, because he portrays the hermaphrodite, male and female in one, because in the beginning God created man and woman; "in his perfect image created them both," which means (and this is in the Talmud) that the god they're talking about is a hermaphrodite. It's male and female in one. They worship on Saturn’s day, which is Saturday, and that's why they wear the black robe. When they wear the black robe they are also ultimate law. They're all law.


Jackie:  Is that what the black robe means?


Alan:  That's what it means. It's the law. That's why judges wear the black robe. They are the law. They are Saturn. When they sit on that bench above the people and there's a bar in the way, they belong to the bar, they are speaking as gods. They are gods in the courtroom.


Jackie:  In the courtroom. Well, how does law connect with black?


Alan:  Again it's the ancient system that predated Judaism and all the rest of them.


Jackie:  You mean that's what they did was wore black?


Alan:  Yes and when they brought even Hebrews in for trial, this is how they said it: they held them by the "short and curlies." They held them by the you-know-what.


Jackie:  The pubic hair?


Alan:  By the B-A-L-L-S and if you lied they crushed it. The crushed your “manhood” and that's where the “short and curlies” comes from. This is all history. It is recorded history and we've been fooled for such a long, long time with all this nonsense that we have not allowed ourselves to live. These guys who run this system know exactly where they're taking us and what they're taking us to and they have decided that they want to eradicate that part of the mind, the brain, which allows you to think of yourself as an individual.


Jackie:  Okay. What part of the brain is that?


Alan:  It's your higher survival centers. Arthur Koestler worked for the United Nations. He wrote about it. He said we will have to lobotomize that part of the brain that gives them their individuality because they won't need it anymore since the state will be making all their decisions for them.


Jackie:  Are we talking about in the pituitary area?  Like a frontal lobotomy?


Alan:  It includes that. They've been right up front with their agenda.


Jackie:  Alan, was it Arthur Koestler who wrote--


Alan:  "The Thirteenth Tribe."


Jackie:  I know "The Thirteenth Tribe," but what about "The Ghost in the Machine?"


Alan:  "The Ghost in the Machine" is what they refer to for your ability to know yourself as a distinct personality.


Jackie:  Wasn't that a book?


Alan:  "The Ghost in the Machine was a book, yes.


Jackie:  Was it Arthur Koestler who wrote that?


Alan:  Yes. He worked for the United Nations on a way to eradicate what they called "a problem of individuality."


Jackie:  So you know what had just occurred to me? These psychotropic drugs that they are putting everybody on, do you think that does something with that frontal lobe of the brain? Do you think that's the way of chemically lobotomizing people, Alan?


Alan:  They are doing that. That's what the spraying in the sky is all about.


Jackie:  Well yes, but besides the spraying in the sky, the psychotropic drugs that they're putting so many people on and so many children. Do you think that that is sort of like a chemical – I mean they actually get zombie-like in a sense.


Alan:  When you put them on the drugs they've been put on, it actually shrinks the brain and what they're doing is eliminating all those people with leadership abilities who can convey what they understand and know and have learned to other people. They're eliminating them before they become a problem and this is not fantasia. It's been written about by the very people involved. It's just that no one reads these books.


Jackie:  So "The Ghost in the Machine" would be the actual soul or spirit of the individual?


Alan:  It's everything that makes you who you are. That's what they mean and they're doing it.


Jackie:  I've always meant to get that book and I've never done it.


Alan:  Arthur Koestler was quite candid about it. He believes in it of course. He worked for Stalin and then he came over to the University of New York and taught the same theories there.


Jackie:  Koestler was a Russian Jew?


Alan:  Yes and then he also spent the rest of his life working on methods to eradicate that part of the brain that makes you who you are; an individual.


Jackie:  You know what just occurred to me, that people who live in cities that every opportunity that they get to leave the city and find a place, Alan, that is where the birds sing and the crickets – there aren't too many crickets around anymore that I know of, but the little peeper frogs and the whippoorwills and the morning doves and the mocking birds and just to get out and away from the artificiality of the city. When I had my business in Springfield, Illinois, I actually lived 50 miles from work but it was sub-development you know down the highway and off the highway and into from what they call the hard road and a beautiful 360 acres of woods and a little lake and to me it was just like heaven to be able to escape there, but there were people in Springfield when they had a long weekend they would go to St. Louis and I would go why are you going to St. Louis? Well, they're going to go to a game and I go why don't you go camping someplace? It just amazed me the people who already lived in the city wanted to go to a bigger city for a vacation and I really mean this folks. I truly mean this from the bottom of my heart, if you haven't done it, take a vacation. Take a weekend. Take your children, take yourselves. Get the hell out of the city and find a place where water runs, a little brook, a stream, a river, but go someplace where there aren't telephones. Buy a tent and go camping. Alan, how else are people ever going to be able to get in touch with themselves?


Alan:  Well, their time is running out because the agenda is there. It's ongoing very quickly now and you will find that those who are dead already, that they are dead in the world and the few who are truly awake are often caught up in the confusion. There are very few people who are truly awake who've broken through all the confusion, but the agenda is going on right now. Seti, the Egyptian pharoph Seti, was the one who put into effect the long-range plans to lobotomize the public and that's why you have "City."


Jackie:  Alan, we're out of time. We're out of our hour, let me put it that way. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back with you Monday. Alan, thank you for being here.



(Transcribed by Linda)